Sabrina: Liturgical Dance
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Sabrina — 01/01/2008 13:53:29: This video is of 4 Benedictine Sisters doing liturgical dance to the song "Emmanuel" on Christmas Day during Morning Prayer.
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zachk1983 — 04/01/2010 09:12:05:

King David also danced naked. I know we would all like to see that right?

REVTHREEVS21 — 20/07/2009 18:30:30:

I think we should all remember, that King David, danced in the streets, showing his joy, and adoration for the Lord!!!!! Are we greater than King David?

ACLumsden — 20/07/2009 16:13:58:

Gosh.... suppression of this community is quite imminent! No young (or older) girl will ever join this community; they have lost their identity as Benedictine! How utterly sad, let us pray that they recover this identity, and swiftly!!! Or they will just, as I have said, fade into nothingness.....

mjkelly — 19/01/2009 21:16:42:

"till suddenly he sprang back in horror, and looking round cried out in a stifled voice: ' Little children, it is Antichrist.' "

(Vladimir Soloviev)

Klaus — 18/01/2009 19:10:40:

Die sollten mal lieber bei sich zu Hause tanzen.
Wir sind doch hier nicht bei den Hottentotten ... oder dort vielleicht doch?
Mei, mei, mei...

Riverfront — 04/01/2009 20:46:26:

These are NOT nuns but New York City style actresses. This dance would be Okay in a theater or in a church basement but not in a Catholic Church. This church does not even look like a Catholic Church. Where are the icons and statues? It could be a Methodist church! While the music is compelling, these are more like vainglorious schoolgirls having a frolic than "real" nuns.

Riverfront — 03/01/2009 13:38:13:

This video is the reason why so many Catholic churches are mostly empty on Sundays!

The post Vatican II Catholic Church has become the Protestant Catholic Church. No wonder so many Catholics are looking into Eastern Orthodoxy!

Riverfront — 03/01/2009 13:31:45:

This is pretty sad. Imagine what the Orthodox Church must think when it considers the sad "Protestant" state of the "new" Catholic liturgy? Dance like like belongs in the theater, not incorporated into the liturgy. It is entertainment, pure and simple. No wonder the "new" Catholic Church has empty seminaries and convents! Why be a nun when so called Catholic nuns act and dress and do the same things as everybody else? Catholicism has destroyed its once beautiful liturgy. These so called nuns are absurd.

monk-mario — 19/11/2008 17:34:34:

Read St. Pius X on what is allowed as music in the actual liturgy. Then you will find that this type of liturgical dance is not found pleasing to God. You may like what is man made, but as far is God is concerned the ;liturgy is a form of himself worshiping himself perfectly. The Church is the Spouse of our Lord, only she can be worthy of giving worthy praise and when you have stuff like this this does not show a Catholic spirit. Try pulling something like that in an Orthodox Church and if you make it alive out of there, I will be surprised this is how you know what can or cannot be allowed.

CatholicFireman — 18/06/2008 16:32:04:

"This is a beautiful expression of the faith of these Sisters. How dare anyone call them such bad names as below. They have given themselves totally to Christ and have done a lot for him. Who are we to judge their worship of their spouse? "

Typical "cafeteria Catholic" You need to snap out of it.

Good reply GermanCatholic

GermanCatholic — 05/04/2008 04:08:18:

"Who are we to judge their worship of their spouse?"

What about: Catholics?

What will be next? Nude dancing and slaughtering of a black rooster at the altar? Will that, too, go under "worship of their spouse"?

ericgwaps — 08/03/2008 18:01:16:

This is a beautiful expression of the faith of these Sisters. How dare anyone call them such bad names as below. They have given themselves totally to Christ and have done a lot for him. Who are we to judge their worship of their spouse?

Jonas — 06/03/2008 04:51:34:

Warum wird ein solches Video hier hineingestellt, wenn sowieso alle was dagegen haben? Versteh ich nicht.

Jonas — 06/03/2008 02:55:15:

That´s only for women, and its - so I think - only with women. Who would like it ....

doozer125 — 05/03/2008 23:14:31:

nothing more sad than a bunch of aging hippies trying to hold onto the sixties...if this wasn't so discraceful and sad it'd be hilarious...

friendo — 09/02/2008 17:54:39:

There are no men in the audience!

If I were the Novus-Ordo-Priest, I would have the Benedictine Girls take some new lessons. Have you heard of those new excercise DVDs, How To Strip Your Way To A Healthy Body. I'd enroll those gals in a Strip Tease Class and then have them come back and do it right. And since there is no actual mass, and "we" don't want one anyway, I would have it all end in a live sex orgy on the Altar.

If you think I'm crazy or disconnected here, just read The Guillotine and The Cross (a history of the French Revolution - 1789).

The Altar is about 'kill or be killed'. Having some ugly vain lesbians do the YMCA is luke warm.

piusdodici — 08/02/2008 19:19:48:

What do you expect from the Vatican II Church and the Novus Ordo mass? Since Vatican II there have been masses where the priest has dressed liked a clown and said mass, there have been acrobats on the altar.... it is truly sad that this is happening where we celebrate the sacrifice of the Holy Mass!

EJGCatholic — 07/01/2008 12:52:49:

though i agree with the silliness of 1973 American worldliness hippies and dislike of this on here, ..i must say this was NOT part of The Mass, but this performance was at a Office of Lauds, as stated
"...on Christmas Day during Morning Prayer."
still, not very Benedictine.
pax

lindagallo1 — 06/01/2008 15:32:58:

This is NOT part of our beautiful Catholic Mass. These nuns should NEVER be allowed to make a mockery of the mass. They should save the 'show' for after the mass in the church hall/basement!

frbenedikt — 05/01/2008 11:17:10:

@Sokrates

Schon klar. Es ist wichtig, sowas aufzuzeigen. Da gibt es allerdings auch kirchenrechtliche Vorgaben zu.

Die lauten - platt gesagt - kurz formulieren:

Kehr vor der eigenen Haustür.

Konkret heiß das:
Sprich deinen Pfarrer an (oder den Geistlichen, bei dem du den Gottesdienst besuchst.)
Tu das in Liebe und Wohlwollen für die Person und das Amt des Pfarrers, aber gerecht in der Sache (gemäß dem Prinzip "Liebe den Sünder, und weil du ihn liebst, hasst die Sünde")
Wenn er nicht reagiert, wende dich an den Bischof - mit Namen.
Wenn er nicht reagiert (bitte beachten, dass die Mühlen der Kirche langsam mahlen), dann wende dich an die Liturgiekongregation im Vatikan.

Ich weiß, dass ich als Ordensmann, der jeden Tag eine ordentliche Liturgie genießen darf, da ein wenig auf dem hohen Ross sitze. Ich kenne auch die andere Seite und weiß von daher auch, wie gefährlich das Hineinsteigern in solche Dinge ist - gerade im geistlichen Sinne.

Der oben beschriebene Weg ist sicher hart, aber es sind die harten Wege, die zur Heiligkeit führen.

Sokrates — 05/01/2008 10:26:52:

@frbenedikt

die Argumentation hat was.

Das (auch provozierende) Gegenargument:

1. muss man die Realität anschauen, wie sie ist. (und die Liturgieskandale dominieren heute [leider])
2. kann man die hässliche Realität der Liturgieskandale (wenn) nur durch das Aufzeigen wegbekommen (der Teufel hasst nichts mehr, als ans Licht gezerrt zu werden).

frbenedikt — 05/01/2008 10:23:42:

Ich provoziere gerne mal, wer mich kennt, weiß das sicher. ;)
Das muss jetzt einfach mal raus:

Wo liegt der Sinn dabei, sich hier einen Haufen liturgischer Missstände deepzulinken, um sich dann in Gemeinschaft darüber aufzuregen oder lustig zu machen?

Damit
ändert man 1. nichts,
steigert man 2. seinen Puls unnötigerweise,
gibt man 3. eine schreckliche Außenwirkung ab.

CatholicFireman — 04/01/2008 14:40:22:

Call me old fashoned and biased, but in my opinion the lack of traditional habit says it all. Unfortunately a lot of Benedictine nuns opt to go habitless. At least thats how it appears. I loved the orders that have remained unchanged in this area. Sorry but I'm alittle passionate about this.

angelus — 02/01/2008 10:20:45:

Welcher Sekte gehören denn diese Damen an? Oder haben die was genommen?

GermanCatholic — 02/01/2008 09:46:58:

Another question: I just dicovered the avatar that was applied to my profile because I registered (truthfully) as a woman. Do you find an unambiguously sexually suggestive avatar for your female members appropriate?

GermanCatholic — 02/01/2008 09:43:06:

O refuse to believe this! This is not a "liturgical dance", this is "Eurythmie", an art form based on pagan temple dances, created by the leader of the neo-pagan cult "Anthroposophie", Rudolf Steiner, in the late 19th century.

I take it that some of the people behind gloria.tv speak German, so maybe this information helps:

tinyurl.com : "Eurythmie kann von ihren Wurzeln in der heidnischen Tempeltanzkunst her und gemäss ihrem Selbstanspruch, dem Menschen unzugängliche übersinnliche Welten auf Erden zu vergegenwärtigen, aus christlicher Sicht nur als dämonisch inspirierte und Dämonen herbeirufende Kunst verstanden werden. Betrachtet man die mit Geheimsymbolen gefüllten Bühnenbilder und seltsamen Bewegungsformen bei eurythmischen Aufführungen (einige sind in Steiners Buch "Eurythmie" fotografisch dokumentiert), dann ergibt sich für den unbefangenen Beobachter ein unheimlicher und finsterer Eindruck. Im "Lexikon des Geheimwissens" von H. Eurythmie Miers wird ausdrücklich auf die Ähnlichkeit zwischen der Steinerschen Eurythmie und dem brasilianischen Macumba-Spiritismus hingewiesen:

"Nachdem von der Theosophie praktisch alle Religionen, der Okkultismus, die Magie und der Spiritismus bearbeitet worden waren, suchte Steiner auch die Kunst in den Dienst der anthroposophischen Theosophie zu stellen (...) Es handelt sich dabei (sc. bei der Steinerschen Eurythmie) besonders um Bewegungen, die das gesprochene Wort besser zum Ausdruck bringen sollen, ähnlich der Macumba, einem magischen Tanz der südamerikanischen Eingeborenen" (Miers 1986, 138).

Steiner bestätigt dies indirekt, wenn er sagt:

"Der Rhythmus des Tanzes führt zu den Urzeiten der Welt. Die Tänze unserer Zeit sind eine Degeneration der uralten Tempeltänze, durch welche die tiefsten Weltgeheimnisse erkannt werden" (642,186).

Vor der Eurythmie als einer okkulten Praktik ist somit deutlich zu warnen."

The Christengemeinschaft, the religious superstructure of the anthroposophic movement, is on the official sect roster of the German Lutheran Church. I don't know what the stance of the Catholic church is or whether they have a stance at all.

Anthroposophy, Steiner's system of teaching and philosophy, is not Christian. It is related to many other pseudo-religious movements that arose during the later part of the 19th century. Steiner was involved in "theosophy" for some time before separating himself from the theosophists in order to form his own movement.

In common with many other 19th century pseudo-religious movements, anthoposophy teaches that there is "hidden" or lost knowledge that was possessed by the "ancients" that must be recovered. This interest in pre-Christian pagan mythology causes anthroposophy to involve itself in a free-form "make it up as you go" pagan mysticism. History cannot tell us what the druids or the pre-Christian cults really believed. Most of their teachings were secret and were not recorded in writing. This allowed mystics to project their own fantasies on to these ancient religious practices and yet cloak them with the mysterious and exciting aura of an ancient religion.

Much of the teaching of the theosophists and the anthroposophists is borrowed from Buddhism and Hinduism. They believe in "karma" and reincarnation. They believe in the pre-existence of the soul before birth. They believe in successive "avatars" (not the Internet kind!) or messiahs who bring the "god-consciousness" to each succeeding generation.

They believe in a general concept of self-improvement and mystical enlightenment that allows the soul to progress into ever higher spheres of existence until some form of higher consciousness or transcendence is reached by an "initiate".

Steiner's anthroposophy wraps itself in cloak of Christian symbology and terminology, but it is not Christian. It teaches that you cannot understand the Bible unless its "secret meanings" are decoded by anthroposophy's interpretation of the words, symbols, and themes. As a result of this esoteric re-interpretation, the core teachings of Judaism and historic Christianity are discarded in favour of a feel-good mysticism.

The most important differentiation between anthroposophy and Christianity, however, lies in the fact that Christianity is about restoring our relationship with the Creator. This relationship has been lost because of mankind's rebellion and disobedience to His holy law. Only through the perfect life and sacrificial death of Jesus is our guilt taken away from us and Christ's righteousness credited to our account. This process of redemption, the very heart of Christianity, is completely removed by anthroposophists from their own philosophical and religious construct.

How the Lutherans can file such a bunch under "Christian" sect is beyond me, but that doesn't change the fact that we are seeing a heathen temple dance here.

I attended a German Waldorf school for 12 years in the late Fifties and Sixties. That is why I recognized what we are seeing here within seconds, whatever the Sisters may call it.

Here is a video I ramdomly picked from the YouTube website. Please compare it with the "liturgical dance" the Sisters are performing.
tinyurl.com

I am a recent convert to Catholicism and I am not being sarcastic or asking a rhetorical question if I am asking you to please explain to me how far dance - ANY dance - can be part of the Catholic liturgy.

EJGCatholic — 01/01/2008 21:00:36:


how silly, and un- Benedictine Nuins??the 1970s are over, gladly