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There is a great deal to discuss here, but I think we need to put some things into context. One cannot look at the new mass, and blame Vatican II directly for it. I would hope even a good liberal would recognize that the Mass of Pope Paul comes from a later theological thread. What the Fraternity of St. Peter does is the Mass that SC/Vatican II asked for. SC never requested a new mass, just a revision of the existing rite. So like or don't like Vatican II is one thing, but slam Vatican II for what you disagree with, or have questions about, but we have to avoid an ex hoc ergo propter hoc falacy on Vatican II.

Not having too much time to watch TV I don't know what this means. "I absolutly, cringe, when I hear a show on E.W.T.N....justify, a weak priest that might be caught up in sin." I know they have had some people make statements I disagree with, but this I don't know. We should never justify someone who is guilty, but in the same breath we should also never destroy the reputation of an innocent.

I agree with you that repentence is needed, provided the guy is guilty. The bishops have gone from the extreme of covering up, to the extreme of hanging a person out to dry when they are accused by something with no foundation. I have seen people where there is no way they could have done it accused and removed, and then get tied up into a canonical fight with their bishops. So there is a need for ballence.

The real questions to ask is why were some guys removed in the old system and others covered for? Why should the dioceses think they are just like their Prottie friends and pay off abusers? Why are some communities and dioceses higher on abuse? And can we blame the seminary system? Why do some seminaries produce more child abusers? And what is the connected to unintegrated homosexuals with the majority of the cases. But the USCCB is circling the wagon and saying it is not a homosexual problem, even though the Vatican told them to look into this. Rome wrote a document in 1963 telling us not to ordain Homosexual clergy, I wonder how many cases less of homosexual preditory rape would there be if we had not thought we were smarter than Rome?

How many seminaries were gay friendly? How many of these guys networked with their friends to cover abuse up? How many seminaries did not teach prayer, and sanctity, and rather told the guys "get in touch with your feelings" and "you need to be intimate with other people" For a unintegrated homosexual this is a free liscense to practice on kids. The bishops hang people out to dry now with no basis for the claim, and make us read articles on abuse as if we are guilty already, and do not discuss the real issue.

Servant of the Servants of God
FOR AN EVERLASTING MEMORIAL
Upon our elevation to the Apostolic throne We gladly turned Our mind and energies, and directed all Our thoughts, to the matter of preserving incorrupt the public worship of the Church; and We have striven, with God’s help, by every means in Our power to achieve that purpose.
Whereas amongst other decrees of the Holy Council of Trent We were charged with revision and re-issue of the sacred books, to wit the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary; and whereas We have with God’s consent published a Catechism for the instruction of the faithful, and thoroughly revised the Breviary for the due performance of the Divine Office, We next, in order that Missal and Breviary might be in perfect harmony, as is right and proper (considering that it is altogether fitting that there should be in the Church only one appropriate manner of Psalmody and one sole rite of celebrating Mass), deemed it necessary to give Our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, namely the re-editing of the Missal with the least possible delay.
We resolved accordingly to delegate this task to a select committee of scholars; and they, having at every stage of their work and with the utmost care collated the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and reliable (original or amended) codices from elsewhere, and having also consulted the writing of ancient and approved authors who have bequeathed to us records relating to the said sacred rites, thus restored the Missal itself to the pristine form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this production had been subjected to close scrutiny and further amended We, after mature consideration, ordered that the final result be forthwith printed and published in Rome, so that all may enjoy the fruits of this labor: that priests may know what prayers to use, and what rites and ceremonies they are to use henceforward in the celebration of Masses.
Now therefore, in order that all everywhere may adopt and observe what has been delivered to them by the Holy Roman Church, Mother and Mistress of the other churches, it shall be unlawful henceforth and forever throughout the Christian world to sing or to read Masses according to any formula other than that of this Missal published by Us; this ordinance to apply to all churches and chapels, with or without care of souls, patriarchal, collegiate and parochial, be they secular or belonging to any religious Order whether of men (including the military Orders) or of women, in which conventual Masses are or ought to be sung aloud in choir or read privately according to the rites and customs of the Roman Church; to apply moreover even if the said churches have been in any way exempted, whether by indult of the Apostolic See, by custom, by privilege, or even by oath or Apostolic confirmation, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them in any other way whatsoever; saving only those in which the practice of saying Mass differently was granted over two hundred years ago simultaneously with the Apostolic See’s institution and confirmation of the church, and those in which there has prevailed a similar custom followed continuously for a period of not less than two hundred years; in which cases We in no wise rescind their prerogatives or customs aforesaid. Nevertheless, if this Missal which We have seen fit to publish be more agreeable to these last, We hereby permit them to celebrate Mass according to this rite, subject to the consent of their bishop or prelate, and of their whole Chapter, all else to the contrary notwithstanding. All other churches aforesaid are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be wholly and entirely rejected; and by this present Constitution, which shall have the force of law in perpetuity, We order and enjoin under pain of Our displeasure that nothing be added to Our newly published Missal, nothing omitted therefrom, and nothing whatsoever altered there in.
We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator and all other persons of whatsoever ecclesiastical dignity, be they even Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or, possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them by virtue of holy obedience to sing or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herein laid down by Us, and henceforward to discontinue and utterly discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, howsoever ancient, which they have been accustomed to follow, and not to presume in celebrating Mass to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal.
Furthermore, by these presents and by virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We give and grant in perpetuity that for the singing or reading of Mass in any church whatsoever this Missal may be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment or censure, and may be freely and lawfully used. Nor shall bishops, administrators, canons, chaplains and other secular priests, or religious of whatsoever Order or by whatsoever title designated, be obliged to celebrate Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us. We likewise order and declare that no one whosoever shall be forced or coerced into altering this Missal; and this present Constitution can never be revoked or modified, but shall forever remain valid and have the force of law, notwithstanding previous constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the usage of the churches aforesaid established by very long and even immemorial prescription, saving only usage of more than two hundred years.
Consequently it is Our will, and by the same authority We decree, that one month after publication of this Our Constitution and Missal, priests of the Roman Curia shall be obliged to sing or to read the Mass in accordance therewith; others south of the Alps, after three months; those who live beyond the Alps, after six months or as soon as the Missal becomes available for purchase.
Furthermore, in order that the said Missal may be preserved incorrupt and kept free from defects and errors, the penalty for nonobservance in the case of all printers resident in territory directly or indirectly subject to Ourselves and the Holy Roman Church shall be forfeiture of their books and a fine of 100 gold ducats payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. In the case of those resident in other parts of the world it shall be excommunication latae sententiae and all other penalties at Our discretion; and by Our Apostolic authority and the tenor of these presents. We also decree that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to take delivery of such books without Our approval and consent, or without express permission of the Apostolic Commissary in the said parts appointed by us for that purpose. Each of the said printers must receive from the aforementioned Commissary a standard Missal to serve as an exemplar for subsequent copies, which, when made, must be compared with the exemplar and agree faithfully therewith, varying in no wise from the first impression printed in Rome.
But, since it would be difficult for this present Constitution to be transmitted to all parts of the world and to come to the notice of all concerned simultaneously, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, at those of the Apostolic Chancery, and at the end of the Campo de’Fiori; moreover We direct that printed copies of the same, signed by a notary public and authenticated with the seal of an ecclesiastical dignitary, shall possess the same unqualified and indubitable validity everywhere and in every country that would attend the display there of Our present text. Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
Given at Saint Peter’s, Rome, in the year of Our Lord’s Incarnation one thousand five hundred and seventy, on the fourteenth day of July in the fifth year of Our Pontificate.
Given at St. Peter's, Rome, in the year of Our Lord's Incarnation, one thousand five hundred and seventy, on the fourteenth day of July of the fifth year of Our Pontificate.

QUO PRIMUM

Papal Bull decreed by Pope Saint Pius V on July 14, 1570 which set in stone for all time the exactness of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to be said in the Mother Tongue of the Church

ex decreto
Ss. Concilii Tridentini restitutum
Summorum Pontificum cura
recognitum
editio XXXI post typicam

PIUS EPISCOPUS ROMA
servus servorum Dei
AD PERPETUAM REI MEMORIAM
QUO PRIMUM tempore ad Apostolatus apicem assumpti fuimus, ad ea libenter animum, viresque nostras intendimus, et cogitationes omnes direximus, quae ad Ecclesiasticum purum retinendum cultum pertinerent, eaque parare, et Deo ipso adjuvante, omni adhibito studio efficere contendimus.
Cumque inter alia sacri Tridentini Concilii decreta, Nobis statuendum esset de sacris libris, Catechismo, Missali et Breviario edendis atque emendandis: edito jam, Deo ipso annuente, ad populi eruditionem Catechismo, et ad debitas Deo persolvendas laudes Breviario castigato, omnino, ut Breviario Missale responderet, ut congruum est et conveniens (cum unum in Ecclesia Dei psallendi modum, unum Missae celebrandae ritum esse maxime deceat), necesse jam videbatur, ut, quod reliquum in hac parte esset, de ipso nempe Missali edendo, quam primum cogitaremus.
Quare eruditis delectis viris onus hoc demandandum duximus: qui quidem, diligenter collatis omnibus cum vetustis Nostrae Vaticanae Bibliothecae, aliisque undique conquisitis, emendatis atque incorruptis codicibus; necnon veterum consultis ac probatorum auctorum scriptis, qui de sacro eorumdem rituum instituto monumenta Nobis reliquerunt, ad pristinam Missale ipsum sanctorum Patrum normam ac ritum restituerunt.
Quod recognitum jam et castigatum, matura adhibita consideratione, ut ex hoc instituto, coeptoque labore, fructus omnes percipiant, Romae quam primum imprimi, atque impressum edi mandavimus: nempe ut sacerdotes intelligant, quibus precibus uti, quos ritus, quasve caeremonias in Missarum celebratione retinere posthac debeant.
Ut autem a sacrosancta Romana Ecclesia, ceterarum ecclesiarum matre et magistra, tradita ubique amplectantur omnes et observent, ne in posterum perpetuis futuris temporibus in omnibus Christiani orbis Provinciarum Patriarchalibus, Cathedralibus, Collegiatis et Parochialibus, saecularibus, et quorumvis Ordinum, monasteriorum, tam virorum, quam mulierum, etiam militiarum regularibus, ac sine cura Ecclesiis vel Capellis, in quibus Missa conventualis alta voce cum Choro, aut demissa, celebrari juxta Romanae Ecclesiae ritum consuevit vel debet alias quam juxta Missalis a nobis editi formulam decantetur, aut recitetur, etiamsi eaedem Ecclesiae quovis modo exenptae, Apostolicae Sedis indulto, consuetudine, privilegio, etiam juramento, confirmatione Apostolica, vel aliis quibusvis facultatibus munitae sint; nisi ab ipsa prima institutione a Sede Apostolica adprobata, vel consuetudine, quae, vel ipsa institutio super ducentos annos Missarum celebrandarum in eisdem Ecclesiis assidue observata sit: a quibus, ut praefatam celebrandi constitutionem vel consuetudinem nequaquam auferimus; sic si Missale hoc, quod nunc in lucem edi curavimus, iisdem magis placeret, de Episcopi, vel Praelati. Capitulique universi consensu, ut quibusvis non obstantibus, juxta illud Missas celebrare possint, permittimus; ex aliis vero omnibus Ecclesiis praefatis eorumdem Missalium usum tollendo, illaque penitus et omnio rejiciendo, ac huic Missali nostro nuper editio, nihil unquam addendum, detrahendum, aut immutandum esse decernendo, sub indignationis nostrae poena, hac nostra perpetuo valitura constitutione statuimus et ordinamus.
Mandantes ac districte omnibus et singulis Ecclesiarum praedictarum Patriarchis, Administratoribus, aliisque personis quacumque Ecclesiastica dignitate fulgentibus, etiamsi Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinales, aut cujusvis alterius gradus et praeeminentiae fuerint, illis in virtute sanctae obedientiae praecipientes, ut ceteris omnibus rationibus et ritibus ex aliis Missalibus quantumvis vetustis hactenus observari consuetis, in posterum penitus omissis, ac plane rejectis, Missam juxta ritum, modum, ac normam, quae per Missale hoc a Nobis nunc traditur, de antent ac legant; neque in Missae celebratione alias caelemonias, vel preces, quam quae hoc Missali continentur, addere vel recitare praesumant.
Atque ut hoc ipsum Missale in Missa decantanda, aut recitanda in quibusvis Ecclesiis absque ullo conscientiae scrupulo, aut aliquarum poenarum, sententiarum et censurarum incursu, posthac omnino sequantur, eoque libere et licite uti possint et valeant, auctoritate Apostoloca, tenore praesentium, etiam perpetuo concedimus et indulgemus.
Neve Praesules, Administratores, Canonici, Capellani et alii quocumque nomine nuncupati Presbyteri saeculares, aut cujusvis Ordinis regulares, ad Missam aliter quam a nobis statutum est, celebrandam teneantur: neque ad Missale hoc immutandum a quolibet cogi et compelli, praesentesve litterae ullo unquam tempore revocari, aut moderari possint, sed firmae semper et validae in suo exsistant robore, similiter statuimus et declaramus. Non obstantibus praemissis, ac constitutionibus, et ordinationibus Apostolicis, ac in Provincialibus et Synodalibus Conciliis editis generalibus, vel specialibus constitutionibus, et ordinationibus, nec non Ecclesiarum praedictarum usu, longissima et immemorabili praescriptione, non tamen supra ducento annos, roborato, statutis et consuetudinibus contrariis quibuscumque.
Volumus autem et eadem auctoritate decernimus, ut post hujus nostrae constitutionis, ac Missalis editionem, qui in Romana adsunt Curia Presbyteri post mensem; qui vero intra montes, post tres; et qui ultra montes incolunt, post sex menses, aut cum primum illis Missale hoc venale propositum fuerit, juxta illud Missam decantare, vel legere teneantur.
Quod ut ubique terrarum incorruptum, ac mendis et erroribus purgatum praeservetur, omnibus in nostro et Sanctae Ecclesiae Romanae Domino mediate, vel immeditate subjecto commorantibus impressoribus, sub amissionis librorum, ac centum ducatorum auri Camerae Apostoliae ipso facto applicandorum: aliis vero in quacumque orbis parte consistentibus, sub excommunicationis latae sententiae, et aliis arbitrari nostri poenis, ne sine nostra vel speciali ad id Apostolici Commissarii in eisdem partibus a nobis constituendi, licentia, ac nisi per eumdem Commissarium eidem impresspri Missalis exemplum, ex quo aliorum imprimendorum ab ipso impressore erit accipienda norma, cum Missali in Urbe secundum magnum impressionem impresso collatum fuisse, et concordare, nec in ullo penitus discrepare prius plena fides facta fuerit, imprimere, vel proponere, vel recipere ullo modo audeant, vel praesumant, auctoritate Apostolica et tenore praesentium similibus inhibemus.
Verum, quia difficile esset praesentes litteras ad quaeque Christiani orbis loca deferri, ac primo quoque tempore in omnium notitiam perferri, illas ad Basilicae Principis Apostolorum, ac Cancellariae Apostolicae, et in acie Campi Florae de more publicari et affigi, ac earumdem litterarum exemplis etiam impressis, ac manu alicujus publici tabellionis subscriptis, nec non sigillo personae in dignitate Ecclesiastica constitutae munitis, eamdem prorsus indubitatam fidem ubique gentium et locorum, haberi praecipimus, quae praesentibus haberetur, si ostenderentur vel exhiberentur.
Nulli ergo omnio hominum liceat hanc paginam nostrae permissionis, statuti, ordinationis, mandati, praecepti, concessionis, indulti, declarationis, voluntatis, decreti et inhibitionis infringere, vel ei ausu temeratio contraire.
Si quis autem hoc attentare praesumpserit, indignationem omnipotentis Dei, ac beatorum Patri et Pauli Apostolorum ejus se noverit incursurum.

Datum Romae apud S. Petrum, anno Incarnationis Dominicae millesimo quingentesimo septuagesimo, pridie Idus Julii, Pontificatus nostri anno quinto.
H. Cumin Caesar Glorierius

PIUS: BISHOP OF ROME
Servant of the Servants of God
FOR AN EVERLASTING MEMORIAL
Upon our elevation to the Apostolic throne We gladly turned Our mind and energies, and directed all Our thoughts, to the matter of preserving incorrupt the public worship of the Church; and We have striven, with God’s help, by every means in Our power to achieve that purpose.
Whereas amongst other decrees of the Holy Council of Trent We were charged with revision and re-issue of the sacred books, to wit the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary; and whereas We have with God’s consent published a Catechism for the instruction of the faithful, and thoroughly revised the Breviary for the due performance of the Divine Office, We next, in order that Missal and Breviary might be in perfect harmony, as is right and proper (considering that it is altogether fitting that there should be in the Church only one appropriate manner of Psalmody and one sole rite of celebrating Mass), deemed it necessary to give Our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, namely the re-editing of the Missal with the least possible delay.
We resolved accordingly to delegate this task to a select committee of scholars; and they, having at every stage of their work and with the utmost care collated the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and reliable (original or amended) codices from elsewhere, and having also consulted the writing of ancient and approved authors who have bequeathed to us records relating to the said sacred rites, thus restored the Missal itself to the pristine form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this production had been subjected to close scrutiny and further amended We, after mature consideration, ordered that the final result be forthwith printed and published in Rome, so that all may enjoy the fruits of this labor: that priests may know what prayers to use, and what rites and ceremonies they are to use henceforward in the celebration of Masses.
Now therefore, in order that all everywhere may adopt and observe what has been delivered to them by the Holy Roman Church, Mother and Mistress of the other churches, it shall be unlawful …

Well these points were mainly about the Liberal attack on Mother A and how those who attack her, usually betray liberalism in their theology. As for disobedience to gain a good, I could never endorse this, but even if I disagree with the objective act, I will not judge the subjective state of the person who performed the aforementioned act.

As I have posted in other places the whole PX fiasco I am sad occured back in the 80's. I am still distressed it presently exists today. Hopefully our present Holy Father will solve the canonical issues, and more importantly heal the rift or wounds

I know of many priests who when they get into trouble with their bishops they go independent, and I cannot endorse these things. Many times these guys have been mistreated by their diocese. Bishops suspending them for unfounded reasons, then when they appeal the suspension they are still treated as if they are suspended. (Dioceses should keep paying the priest who appeals the suspension until the case is heard. Also the diocese should provide the priest with representation canonically, yet they don't.) They are also suppose to keep their medical insurance up, and they have not. (I have seen this happen in numerous dioceses so it seems to be a pattern.)

I read of one priest that was driving a cab to feed himself. May I add this is a dangerous game to play, because priests should not have secular jobs without the bishop's permission. So the bishop can force the priest, with a trumped up charge and lack of implementation of the canonical requirements, into a situation where then he has grounds to do something to him for real.

The rules of canon law are put there to protect priests. Some may be independently wealthy, but many live month to month, especially after student loans from seminary. A bishop can squash a person without resources, this is why he is suppose to maintain him once appealed and provide council. If the poor guy has no major war chest in the bank, which is common for priests not to have anything put away the bishop can squash the priest like a bug. So Rome has put certain protections into place to help priests who have problems with their ordinaries. But what do you do when the poor guy has no money, has no income, or even medical insurance. He cannot easily get a canon lawyer. And the only way to be vindicated it to take it Rome, yet he cannot afford to do such an act.

I have seen priests forced on food stamps, many unable to pay for medical treatment, I have seen priests who have secret odd jobs to pay for themselves. I know of one unfounded case against a priest where they told the papers of his supposed act, and then when he moved to his mother, they gave the newspaper his mother's address and phone number. He appealed his public suspension and was completely cut off, thank God he had a mother near him that he could stay with. I called his chancery to find out his status, I was told he was suspended, yet it was appealed!! His mother sold her house because of the people who were harassing him because they thought he was some kind of sexual deviant. He is cleared now, but his diocese is not restoring him. I know of a case where the diocese was told by a priest's canon lawyer that they were to communicate with him, yet they would call the guy directly all the time, and harass him.

It seems that many liberal bishops in the world seem to think that the rules of canon law are a sword to beat the more conservative clergy over the head with, yet when the clergy attempt to apply those rules which guarentee their rights the bishops ignore them. So in these kind of situations I can see how a priest has gone 'independent' I don't agree, but I can understand. I don't know how many times that I have heard priests in these situations say to me "maybe I should just go skizzy." You try to ignore such statements, considering that it is the pain speaking, because blasting the person at that moment will only further isolate them. But when their isolation becomes a context, and one feeds upon another, as they see themselves being persacuted for nothing wrong. This leads to an anti-hiearchy attitude. Disagreeing with them will not help to bring healing.

So nothing good comes from chaos, for us. But from the from the chaos of the darkness God brought order, from the chaos of sin, God can bring redemption, from the chaos of babal God brings the Church as a means of unity. I am not agreeing with how the chaos got there, be it our fault or theirs, but the problem is here. Are we going to make lemonaid from the lemons?

Vatican reminds us that many of the divisions in the Church are our, the faithful's fault, they are from the scandal we have caused. From us not being Christian. The whole PX issue should have been resolved by clamer heads, just as Card. Humberto was not the right man to go to the East. He was great for bring disicipline in the west, but his heavy hand solved nothing.

Many things need to be considered with the PX issue. First off the loose and heavy handed use of Disicipline on PX and the arch-bishop. All he wanted was a group to keep the Traditional Rite. The reform/deform minded Villot sought to make an example of him, and was far too heavy handed. All he wanted was a bishop so that there would be someone to continue his experiment, which now the present Holy Father reminds us the old rite was never removed, and that the arch bishop was right when it saw Quo Primum telling them they had the right to the rite until the end of time. There was no such document with equal solemnity to bring this into question. So the over use of authority, and lack of proper canonical redress need to be considered here. One does not get to destroy their opponet because they are right. Villot was attempting this, and should have given the poor arch bishop his proper hearing.

The decree on ecuminism tells us that those who left the church have even many times driven the church into reform. What do they mean, the protestants did give the proper context into which the church finally had Trent to clean herself up. They had tried it before the protestants, but corruption and princes had stopped it, the reformation forced us to reform. Another issue of God using Chaos to bring order.

Why is this, God can take the greatest evil and pull good out of it. I am not saying we should do evil. (Like the old axiom "Sex is evil sex is sin, sin is forgiven so sex is in." NO, a Thousand times no. This is not right you do not do an evil to bring a good, but when the problem is there, you have to bring the best out of it.)

We need to bring the sheep fully into the fold. This means discussing the issues of divisions, apologizing for our misactions (Or Villots in this case) and hoping they will do the same. Who makes the first gesture, the person who is most secure, and loving apologizes for his misdeeds. Misdeeds were done in the PX case, Rome's reversal of the excommunication proves this, so now lets fix the rest.

Am I saying what was done is right, no I am not. I am only saying the problem is here, we did do some hurtful things, and we are sorry. We want unity now, we want to heal the rift, not to focus on their misdeeds. Easy to pull the twig from your enemy, but we have to consider our mote.

Lets bring PX home fully, we have far more in common with them than the liberals, they can help us reform. If we offer an olive branch to the Angies, why not them. How many times do we forgive our brother if he wrongs us, 70 times 7. I am just asking for one!!!

Ut Unam Sint

Thank you, I am just hoping that I can get people thinking about reforming the Catholic Church. So many think they are reformed, and because they are not they are like the person who says they have no sin, their sin remains. So many have been tricked into thinking that what they are doing is correct, that challenging them is like asking them to question their own presuppositions. This is why the sermon I gave the Myths of Vatican II was applauded, but then also attacked by the left. (The reason I posted it was because they were saying I said things I never said. So sure were they in their conviction I was wrong they lied about what I said. That way people could see my real words.) Then I decided I wanted to diagnose the illness, and propose a cure with Gloria.tv.

I think she will be canonized also, she is very holy, and what people find annoying is her lack of compromise. (A halmark of a saint, they drive secular people crazy. Why because they are truly rational, we are insaine when we compromise with the world.)

Lets just hope that the faithful are no so hurt, which we have been by the liberals rigidity and legalisms that we don't try to get revenge on them. I have known some faithful when they get into power to want revenge on the habbitless nuns, and the lib priests, we cannot be like them. We have to implement reform in the truth.

True. People with problems concerning the faith (which faith is composed not only of teachings but also of course includes lay members and magisterium and folks like Mother Angelica), and this is just my own personal experience and opinion, almost always attack personalities and never really address ideas or issues. its sad that people seem not to be able to deal rationally with one another. But I suppose it is to be expected ... We are after all IN the world, but not OFF the world. I think thats what makes some others mad. Honest Catholics step on their toes just by walking in the One True Faith. Keep it up Padre.