@yuca2111
My Brother in Christ: I know only bits and parts of Cardinal Bertone's words. Honestly I am not that interested in what he has/had to say.
With that said : I am not ignorant of all the debate of the {WORDS} of the 3rd secret, and I think Rome's interpretation of the 3rd vision is Nonsense!
However I believe in The Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima, and what Was reported that she said.
I also Believe in Our Lady Of Lasalette and all that she was reported to have said. {My 1st TLM was at a Lasalette Church in the early 1990s.
I take these things to heart and weigh them when need calls for it.

Yes The Virgin did have some things to say about Rome back in 1846 {some say unapproved}
My point here is this {short version} I Trust in the Holy Sacraments. I trust the Time tested writings of the Saints, that not only knew the Faith, but lived it. Prayer, Fasting, Sacrifice etc. This is why I trust them.
I have eyes to see, and ears to hear with today, Thanks be to God. I do NOT need to search out a Visionary, to reinforce what is obvious, or to cloud my judgment with delusion or deception. THE RISK IS TO HIGH these days...Understand? WE need the Grace from God Himself. My Catholic Faith, and sense tell me where to find that: The Holy Sacraments, and the time tested marks of a Christian: Penance, Prayer, Charity Humility.

I choose the safe and sure road, and I need no other, my Brother in Christ Jesus

Dear Sister in Christ:

I understand you and what you are trying to say . I don't qualify myself because I raised after the council. I was only answering your question. I am much more in union/communion with my Catholic Forefathers Pre Vat 2.
I know many Very Good Practicing Catholics that are so upset over this Pope, that they are leaving, and heading to the SSPX.
When a tv star Primetime USA TV {so you know its not that wholesome} says things MORE CATHOLIC than the Pope....There is a REAL Problem!

You and I belong to THE CHURCH Divinely instituted. We must do what we can according to our station/vocation in this lifetime.
We are not religious by vow. {Priest Bishop etc>} We must wait, pray, Sacrifice speak against error etc. BUT They with Authority must act! That is the bottom line.

If they will not act, they WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDINGLY. We also will be judged, so we must take full advantage of what God makes available. For us in our Day. The Entire Catholic Faith of our Forefathers, and all the Sacraments {preferably the Traditional ones} . We must Keep the Faith, and flee all that is questionable. Including the myriad of apparitions available today.

Peace my Sister.

Rhemes I love you but your killing me here, basically what you arr saying is the same thing cardinal Bertone said about Fatima when pressured about the 3rd secret, he said: "The Mother of God can't critized the Church!" La Salette has even more harsh words for all priests calling them "walking letrines", know I do know that everything it is revealed to you in a private revelation must not contradict the bible, avtually MDM doesn't contradict holy scripture, anywhere, anywhere... crackpot? Spiritual pornography? It is not christian without having the time to actually READ, what she's about, yes it is not good when you try to force your believs on to people, with shouting matches and warnings, you could believe me or not, Jesus has indeed talk to me a few times in mi lifetime and I did heard His sweet voice in MDM's writings, but even her if she falls away from the faith and bible thwn I'll be the first to denounve her errors. Blessings.

Sorry Uncle Joe but you don't speak as Christian

Don't judge me, Woman. You quote scripture only when it suits your twisted purpose.

Douay-Rheims Bible
JUDGE not, that you may not be judged,
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Stop wasting time posting trash on the internet. Go away and find some man who will put up with your nonsense.

Overcome evil with good. That depends. I'd say overcome evil with greater firepower.

I didn't call you a crackpot but you are starting to act like one. Respond to me only if you have something original to say. Even the devil quotes scripture and so you are no better than him.

Adiós, Sweet Cheeks.

Uncle Joe Dear Joe I wish my English was better to talk with you more But Only I can say that the Bible teach as to
Romans 12:21
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Dear Uncle Joe I can not understand why you need to call names or call any person crackpot??? I do not think this is the right way to objectively examine any New prophecy
As Catholic- Christian this is my only observation
I hope you can agree with me May God bless you

Knights4Christ: I understand testing things.
I was born in the decade of the council ,and raised Catholic in it.
I have known many people that have gone to medj, and I have looked over some of the messages. A Disaster is what I call it. Daily Messages PALESSE really? Scheduled vision moment with the Queen of Heaven...I am sorry but Common Sense tells me this is not from God.
Visions that call this Pope the Anti Christ? Come on really people....I think he is bad, but the antichrist? Do you really Think if the Virgin Mary: The Queen of Heaven were to ever utter such a thing {doubtful} she would not pick a larger stage?
How about this person below adeste fideles throwing around supernatural threats from the Mother of God! WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! That is not the language of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary. NO THREATS NEEDED when She Truly Speaks.

This argument that because Rome is being lead ,by those who dislike what the Church has always been, does NOT mean that they cannot decide on matters supernatural.
I should ask you: If not Rome than who?

For myself.....I thank God in a strong Faith in the TRUE TRUTHS {I like that }
The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! The Sacraments. The Dogmas. The Great Saints John Eudes St Teresa of Avila St John Vianney St Thomas Aquinas

If things are in a state of Diabolical disorientation, Go where Safety is.. The Holy Mass and the Sacraments. and oh yes. The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. All 15 Decades.

I have a question for you Knight. Are you now or have you ever been under a doctor's care for any form of mental illness?

You must trust somebody. Maybe it's your wife/husband. Maybe it's your doctor. Maybe it's your barber/cosmetologist? Maybe it's the Church you ostensibly belong to?

To go through life mistrusting everyone is to live a life or paranoid schizophrenia. There are wives/husbands who should not be trusted but one has to use reliable hard evidence and reason to determine. Ditto for your doctor, ditto for your barber and ditto for Church members.

Although not all can be trusted, this is where right reason and an informed intellect are crucial. What is most important is “non-identification” with the cause or the person in question. This is where the fanatics lose themselves and literally become what they believe no matter how absurd it is. Further, they will find bizarre reasons to justify their pathology. Any attack on their pet belief is viewed as an attack on themselves and therefore is met with a disproportional visceral defense.

Medjewgoogoo is a money making scam fleecing tens of thousands of gullible sheep. Maria Mercy Whatever is a Fraud . “Love the sinner hate the sin” makes me want to puke.

If anyone pushes any of this nonsense to my face, I punch them in the throat. This will stun them for a moment but it also invariably has a calming effect on their unwelcome crusade.

One Questions for both of You rhemes1582 Uncle Joe
Are you pre Vatican II? Because if so we can understand that you reject any new apparition of the Virgin Mary.
Test everything and retain what is good to consider a private revelation we must first listen carefully
Sister Faustina was unfairly banned his book so the Church has previously misjudged private revelations if a Private revelation don't contradict the moral or faith is allowed to analyze.

I personally can not take any position because honestly I have not analyzed Medjugorje. Something I should DO FOR THIS NEW YEAR

I happen to agree with Mr. Voris. Thank you Mr. Voris

I ask, what is the purpose of our modern visionaries {so-called}?

I know people that think they are being spoken too, by a Saint from heaven. The theme seems to be....run away and hide. Get ready so you can survive the chastisement and then re-build the Church. Sound familiar to anyone?
I call that nonsense and NOT CATHOLIC!
Retreat from suffering is not Catholic, and running from the fight is a fallacy.
I think medjugore is just a Modernist revision of Fatima...An Anti Fatima if you will.
Pretty sure the lady of medj, has stated" all religions are man made" Really? sounds pretty naturalist to me. I would forbid my children from going there, if invited.
These other smaller groups, some mentioned in this thread: What do they do exactly?
What is the purpose? I think most are a deception............

When I NEED a Miracle: I go to Holy Mass! I go to Confession!
When I need to understand, I pray and study the Holy Faith.
When I can't understand, I give it to God, and trust His Will.

So why all the Visionaries today? Was not our Lady of Fatima clear enough?

Our Lady of Fatima: Pray for us.

The Problem is “The Congregation [for the Doctrine of the Faith] lost credibility because was infiltrated by Gerhard Ludwig Müller ONE OF THE NEW HERETIC INSIDE THE VATICAN (atheist) who questions the virginity of Mary and the Eucharist Gerhard Ludwig Müller was also a pupil and friend of Gustavo Gutiérrez, the “father” of Latin-American liberation theology. Bishop Gerhard Muller and Gustavo Gutierrez co-authored the book Taking the Side of the Poor - Liberation Theology at Regensburg in 2004.

The crackpot who calls herself "Maria Divine Mercy"

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The Money Train Known as Mejewgoogoo

“The Congregation [for the Doctrine of the Faith] has affirmed that, with regard to the credibility of the ‘apparitions’ in question, all should accept the declaration … which asserts: ‘On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations,’” Archbishop Carlo Vigano wrote in an Oct. 21 letter to the bishops of the U.S., sent to the general secretary of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

“It follows, therefore, that clerics and the faithful are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public celebrations during which the credibility of such ‘apparitions’ would be taken for granted.”

Read more: www.ncregister.com/daily-news/vatican-advises…

TO BE VERY CLEAR: I Dr. RAFAEL GONZALEZ KNOWN AS YUCA2111 KNOW THAT MARIA OF DIVINE MERCY IS A TRUE PROPHET, THERE I'VE SAID IT. I DECLARE THAT MICHAEL IS NOT A SEER, BUT A CATHOLIC SOLDIER FIGHTING AGAINST THE WICKEDNESS OF THE CHURCH IN THIS END TIMES, NOW THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE CHURCH THIS DAYS ALL THANKS TO WICKED BISHOPS AND FALSE PROPHET FRANCIS... IF ALL FOLLOWERS OF A PROPHET WOULD ONLY TRY NOT TO HAVE SHOUTING MATCHES IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHO THEY'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE AND BE MORE HUMBLE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, NOW IS MICHAEL RIGHT AGAINST THE FOLLOWERS OF MDM... YES!!! IS HE RIGHT ABOUT MDM HERSELF, NO!!! DOES HE NEEDS MORE PROOF, YES! DO WE NEED TO ATTACK HIM, NO!!! DO WE NEED TO ATTACK FRANCIS ERRORS? YES!!! MANY OF OUR BROTHERS WILL BELIEVE, IS ALL A MATTER OF TIME AND PROPHECIES BEING FULFILLED, BECAUSE THEY'RE MANY GOOD STANDING CATHOLICS WHO WON'T ACCEPT WHAT WE SAY, ARE THEY WRONG? NO! ARE WE WRONG? NO! BUT SOMEBODY IS WRONG... INDEED AND BECAUSE FRANCIS IS MAKING HUGE MISTAKES AND STILL MICHAEL HASN'T BUGE, THEN MY CONCLUSION FOR HIM AND OTHERS THEY NEED TO SEE LIKE MATTHEW WHICH IS NOT GOOD BUT THEY NEED MORE... BECAUSE SO MANY POPES WERE PRISONERS OF MASONS AND MANY OF US DENOUNCE ERRORS OF THE VATICAN BUT NOT OF THIS POPES WE ARE INCLINE NOT TO POINT FINGERS TO THE POPE... UNTIL FRANCIS ARRIVE WITH HIS NEW AGE, MODERNISTS, AND WORLDLINESS GOSPEL. MAY GOD HELP US.