Francis’ Teaching On Sin :in His Own Words

Book Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio Jorge Bergoglio , Conversations, pp. 120-121: “I often say that the only glory we have, as Saint Paul says, is that of being sinners.” Jorge Bergoglio, …More
Book Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio
Jorge Bergoglio , Conversations, pp. 120-121: “I often say that the only glory we have,
as Saint Paul says, is that of being sinners.”
Jorge Bergoglio, Conversations, p. 129: “… it is a problem of sin. For four years
Argentina has been living a sinful existence because it has not taken
responsibility for those who have no food or work.”
“That’s why, for me, sin is not a stain I need to clean.”
“not go to the cleaners of the Japanese around my house.”
yuca2111
Something curious, but I don't have more info on the matter... Where did Bergoglio study theology? Germany...
G.Taylor
Has the Pope got dementia?
Is he a puppet on Kasper's strings?
Or is he a bafoon?
God only knows,
Who am I to judge?
Prof. Leonard Wessell
Part II
Counterthesis 2.:
"...sed dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea", these words finish Counterthesis I. Note, Mr. Bergoglio, that God address the "ME" that constitutes each and everone of us, as a singular person, not as a citizen of Argentina (or any other country) or any collectivity (as is typical for lib. theology). The words are not directed at the collectivity. "Sanabitur" comes from a …More
Part II
Counterthesis 2.:
"...sed dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea", these words finish Counterthesis I. Note, Mr. Bergoglio, that God address the "ME" that constitutes each and everone of us, as a singular person, not as a citizen of Argentina (or any other country) or any collectivity (as is typical for lib. theology). The words are not directed at the collectivity. "Sanabitur" comes from a verb meaning to "heal" (a wound) or even "clean" the wound so as to make it whole. It would seem, following Mr. Bergoglio's words, that the divine act of "sanabitur" does not apply to HIM (having no stains to be cleaned), given the fact that he is a citizen of a country that provides "work or food" (which is a falsity if one will follow the pitiful economics of welfare-state Argentina). My conclusion is, following my analysis, that Mr. Bergoglio is sinnless (coming from the land of "work and food" and, please note, that he omits capital investment) and for that reason needs no cleaning of his sin (either by Japanese or by God), hence the "sanabitur" has no reference to him. Once again, I challenge, no, beg someone to refute my analysis.

Wow, let us hope that Mr. Bergoglio does not become a priest or, worse, a Pope. God forbid that sin be so easily ended simply by being a citizen of Argentina. This certainly will not happen.
Prof. Leonard Wessell
Part I
Thesis:
"...for me, sin is not a stain I need to clean", thus spoke Mr. Bergoglio.
Counterthesis 1.: "Domine, non sum dignus et intres sub tectum meum ..." thus reads the "Ordinary of the Mass" in Latin.
Contrasts: 1."...non [ego] sum dignus ..." These words are uttered before the consecration and communion. I suggest that the notion of "dignus" is more correctly equated with "stain" than …More
Part I
Thesis:
"...for me, sin is not a stain I need to clean", thus spoke Mr. Bergoglio.
Counterthesis 1.: "Domine, non sum dignus et intres sub tectum meum ..." thus reads the "Ordinary of the Mass" in Latin.
Contrasts: 1."...non [ego] sum dignus ..." These words are uttered before the consecration and communion. I suggest that the notion of "dignus" is more correctly equated with "stain" than whatever it is that keeps Mr. Bergoglio from the "need to clean". Effectively, Mr. Bergoglio is, nolens, volens, claiming: "Sum dignus ut ..." 2. Note, Mr. Bergoglio, that it is my "ego" as the first person of "sum" that is not worthy (= stained by sin) to have Christ enter into me. "Ego" is the first person form, not a grammatical form for any state, even that of Argentina. Just how Christ in the Mass is to enter into Argentina remains a mystery to me.
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Prof. Leonard Wessell
"Argentina has been living a sinful existence because ...." Not individual Argentinians, distributively or collectively acting, rather the ABSTRACTION called a "state" is "sinful". (Did Jesus die in order to save Argentina, the state?) Note, "sin" is not an act of an individual, alone or with others, rather a form of "existence" , namely the type that does not provide "food or work". Mr. Brogoglio …More
"Argentina has been living a sinful existence because ...." Not individual Argentinians, distributively or collectively acting, rather the ABSTRACTION called a "state" is "sinful". (Did Jesus die in order to save Argentina, the state?) Note, "sin" is not an act of an individual, alone or with others, rather a form of "existence" , namely the type that does not provide "food or work". Mr. Brogoglio, Sir, Adolf Hitler, before the war, gained much popularity in Germany of the 1930s by undertaking (albeit with deficit spending) projects of providing "work", enabling the purchasing of "food", of the distribution of food. Some of this sin conquering work consisted in building the armaments Nazi Germany used to unleash WW II. (And the deficit spending pushed Hitler to begin a war early as inflation was threatening due to deficit spending.) But, the form of "existence" of Nazi Germany in no way (before the war) failed in the attempt to provide "work or food". Therefore, following the logic of Mr. Brogoglio, Nazi Germany did not have a "sinful existence" and, hence, all the Germans working for a country whose existence provided "work and food" were in no way sinners, i.e., specially after joinging the Party. Please, someone, refute my comparison. I see no logical failure in my application of the quotations taken from Brogoglio's "confessions", a citizen of a country in "sinful existence" having become sinless and now requiring no "cleaning" of Mr. Bergoglio (derivatively as in any citizenof Argentina) to Nazi Germany. By the way, Stalin did the same thing for Russian citizens (minus those deviants who did not want to become sinless like Brogoglio IS, a man without the stain of sin). Bergoglio is propounding a theory of sin that make the sacrifice of Jesus not only to be stupid, but in no way producing "work or food" for a country, leaving all in sin. In other words, Jesus' crucifixion was a cop out. Someone refute me! My logic is terrifying me.
Prof. Leonard Wessell
I ask my readers to forgive the occasional spelling error. My age and health simply blind me to the "stain" of misspelling. Also, I find the "either/or" dilemma proposed at the end of my blah-blah to be disturbing because it seems to be logically sound. Bergoglio is offending me profoundly staining me with his apparent dissolution of what was once Catholicism to me. How can I doubt a pope, i.e., …More
I ask my readers to forgive the occasional spelling error. My age and health simply blind me to the "stain" of misspelling. Also, I find the "either/or" dilemma proposed at the end of my blah-blah to be disturbing because it seems to be logically sound. Bergoglio is offending me profoundly staining me with his apparent dissolution of what was once Catholicism to me. How can I doubt a pope, i.e., without holding the pope to be in error, seriously staining error. Logical dilemmas can be terrible.
Prof. Leonard Wessell
What was the point of Christ's crucifixion? Seriously! What the heck good did Jesus do for the economically poor of his time by ticking off the Romans to the point that the executed him? What does it mean to say that sin is not a stain needing cleaning?I have always understood cleaning as confession of sins, mortal sins that stain my soul. Now I learn that "sin" needs no cleaning neither from the …More
What was the point of Christ's crucifixion? Seriously! What the heck good did Jesus do for the economically poor of his time by ticking off the Romans to the point that the executed him? What does it mean to say that sin is not a stain needing cleaning?I have always understood cleaning as confession of sins, mortal sins that stain my soul. Now I learn that "sin" needs no cleaning neither from the Japanese cleaner around the corner nor from a priest in a confessional. Is that interpretation correct? Please, some one of theological education, inform me. I can look up sin in text spanning hundreds of years of theologians and I cannot find Pp Bergoglio's definition.

Let me pose a question: A Nazi SS man, drilled for years to have a conscience demanding the elimination of Jews, follows his conscience until he concludes that it is poorly informed. So, the SS man begins to help helpless Jews and other victims. All the acts of murder, torture, destruction, hate, etc. --all these acts do not in any way stain his soul. The were just acts of a poorly formed conscience (which according to Francis is enough to get to heaven anyway). So, without the slightes repentance, none whatsoever for his mistaken conscience, the SS man begins to seek "food or work" for what is left of the Jews in Europe. The SS man has done NOTHING that needs cleansing, viz., confessing as the stain of mortal sin. He only needs to become a new type of SS (= Social Service) man and he is free of sin.

I beg from the depths of my being that some theological informed reader or priest or prelate inform me if my logic is faulty. If my view of sin as entailing "stain" is correct and if it is what I learned as the Catholic view of sin (of pre-Bergoglio days), then either Bergoglio or I, one of us, is not Catholic. If Jesus died to save us from our sins (not a full interpretation), what did Jesus die for since all we have to to is to become reformed "SS" Christians and, voilà, sin is gone. My interpretation is pusing me into a decision. HE goes or I.
la verdad prevalece
🥴 Jorge Bergoglio’ Teaching On Man
Conversations, p. 220: “For me, hope is in the human person… I
believe in man. I’m not saying man is good or bad, just that I believe in man.” 🙄