CathPresbyter:

It is nice to hear you speak in truth about the Society of Saint Pius X. People do not hear priests from the diocesan parishes speak as you do, because most of the them live by what they always quote as "We have to move on," meaning to leave all tradition behind and to continue to embrace more the wordly ways of thinking.

I hope some day to see you offer the Traditional Latin Mass.

>> Holyrope is always attacking our homilies as well.

I am going to look at your name in a second by our do you mean your, or are you posting someone elses homilies?

I am posting the homilies of our pastor Fr. Liam Cary at Sacred Heart in Medford. Just a parishioner with a video camera.

God bless, Marc

>>Your right about the altar; I did mean the "sanctuary"

A common misnomer, I just point it out so people realize what it is about. It is like people saying Jesus is present 'in the eucharist.' Better said through. In sounds as if He is inside it, when He is it. Or when people say grace builds on nature, actually Thomas says perfects nature.

>>And yes, the new mass is an invention brought about by modernists, >>before you were born probably.

Well it depends, the GIRM for the Ordo Missae of Pope Paul occured within my lifetime, but I was a baby. But the experimental Masses that Bugnini was celebrating were before I was born.

Sadly enough many have left the enviroment of the new mass, because of crazy abuses not even allowed in the new mass. Many have left for things allowed, but are nutty. (Altar girls, EM, communion in the hand.) And some have left because they don't like the lack of orthodoxy. (Self help sermons.) Many join protestant cults that at least have things right like the Trinity, and the hypostatic union. And others have left because they have been conditioned by the lack of reverence to want more, and they go to the liberal churches.

SO THE QUESTION IS, how do you take a people who have been trained to like irreverence to seek the good stuff. Many are already lost, but many are ignorant, and I want to bring them back. If I jetteson the new rites completely I don't give them a chance for Christianity, and they will sink into the larger than life priests who just tell them what they want to hear, so they can get affirmed. I am not willing to throw them all out like garbage, because they are ignorant. I want to save as many as I can, I want to reform.

>> Nevermind the pedophilia, homosexuality, etc within the clergy.

As to this, I am familiar with this, since I went to seminary in Baltimore. I was even in a parish where the pastor was removed.

>> But I have spoke to many a priest, some which are close to my >>family and I know what happens when a priest wishes to follow and >>exemplify our Catholic faith and tradition.

And when you are a priest who tries to teach orthodoxy the libs come after you. (You should see my letter collection, I consider them a badge of honor. I look at them, pray on them, consider if the person has a point, if they do, I will change, if they are liberal clap trap I scan them into my computer for records and move on.) See my sermon the myths of Vatican II, you will see a sermon I delivered where I was asked to do it, and then the priest who used to be a good friend of mine, hung me out to dry. Made it look as if he had asked me to cover the masses and I gave that sermon on my own. (He made it sound as if that. By lying in that he said I was the only priest who could cover. Yet I had to get coverage to cover for him. And if I was only covering why did he take my noon mass and I take his, it was to get me at his people. Because they were taking a petition against him. He through lies, and mental reservation held me out to dry. His words were "after speaking to the vicar I am going to have to distance myself from you." Even though he told me before that "they said there was nothing wrong with your sermon." (Referring to those who heard it.) Odd thing is this supposed friend was a Traditionalist. He calls himself thus. He said his spirituality was in this rite. He did the changes to make his parish open to Tradition, and I defended him, upon his request, and he hung me out to dry. Wrote an apology in his bulliten and read it from his pulpit. (I have it on MP3 and have scanned the bulliten article.) Amazing thing is if he is such a Traditionalist, why was he not at the mass to help me with communion? (He hung over at the rectory, he may have been impeded from celebration of a Mass, but Communion distrubution? Why did he let the EM do it. He was the Administrator.) Could he not have been there for Plausable denyability? Could he have had me do the whole thing to distract people from him? (Two people who know both he and I suggested this.) This is why my friendship ended with the only priest in my diocese who was an avowed Trad, I cannot trust him anymore.

Look at my sermon, and tell me why a Traditionalist held me out to dry?

Was it because I am a neo-con as you guys call us. A liberal, who does not deserve common respect? Because I don't know the old rites and don't celebrate them because I let my pastor run this church, means I am expendable.

I am so sorry that you Trads have been hurt by liberals, but it does not justify what was done to me, by my supposed friend. I broke bread with him at least once a week, even more and he threw me away for remaining an administrator. What doth a profit a man, to gain administration of MPB, and suffer the loss of soul. For now I feel he has given himself to compromise, and Traditionalist gains he makes reside in a lie and mental reservation. I doubt God will bless his work, ends justifying the means. Look at my sermon, and tell me I am the liberalm tell me I am the apostate, all he did was move furnature, I took the heat for the TLM, and I can't even celebrate the rite, but I was open to the idea of tradition, and was open to it before Summorum Pontificum, I was open to people having it when I was in High School.

>> And unless you have an army of priests to do so, I'm afraid you >>stand little chance.

An army is usless, numbers meaningless. Fedility is all I need. If they fry me, if they cruficy me with their lies, so be it. If a bishop or pastor values the money of the people who complain, if they gulag me, if they suspend me, so what? My job is the gospel, not false obedience. I am faithful as best as I can in what I am in control. I am not a pastor, I cannot run things, I do not have control, heck I cannot even question a test given to kids, that I have not seen, without being called and yelled at. (So I guess my opinions only exist if they agree, outside of this I have no right to an opinion. I am an assistant.) All I control is my altar, and my pulpit, I work with the broken machine that is before me, if they ask me to do something that I cannot do in conscience, then I guess I will find out then what I do.

>>it will be a long and lonely road for you and those like you.

Lucky I choose celibacy then. It is about being alone. I alone in many ways, but not for the gospel. So I am not alone, but if I am isolated from my presbyterate so be it. I don't expect things will reform quickly, the liberals like a spoiled brat are going to fight me tooth and nail. Maybe when I am an old man things may be better. But John Vianne took his entire life to convert a village, I am not 1 one millionith as holy as he, and I am trying to reform the entire church. (But it is not about me but God.)

>>Unlike the modern, liberal, new age, "tolerant"l ones that have >>drastically lost enrollment.

I know I was at one, but look at the good side. Their gods have been struck down. Their money is gone, thanks to the stock market problems. (No endowments.) And their numbers dwindle, so lessmoney. The abuse scandal hurt them, things to Michael Rose's excellent book. (WHICH IS ALL TRUTH!!! READ HIS BOOK ANYONE WHO HAS A CHANCE. I was there I can attest to the truth.)

>>As far as your expenses that is a concern for you of course. But only >>you can answer if it is all worth it in the end. Only God and you will >>know that.

Yes, but I trusted God, I took the step of faith. I was put into debt by His church, heck I am in debt to His Church. I was spiritually abused by the liberals. (AND I MEAN THAT, what they did to conservatives was spiritual abuse.) I did it for the gospel. No running to an ivory tower, no being safe. (I took the hits, and continue to take the hits, because I was called to be a secular priest, not a religious.) And this debt has created an indentured class within the church. We live like church mice swiming in debt while the faithful scream I am rich, and living in a castle, and that is why they put a dollar in the collection. I take the blame for a liberal church's abuse crisis, when this stuff all happened before I was ordained. So I trusted in God, and he will deliver me, but please don't be SO CRUEL as giving me a direction to go, so glibly, go Traddie and everything will be good, when actions have consequences. I will not rip off little old ladies, who think he is so cute because he does Mass the old way. So I will pay my debt from my income as a priest, and if Benedict ever makes the TLM document have some teeth, I may celebrate it, but I won't thow the New Mass people away, but try to bring them up to the reform.

>>In the meantime, I and every other Catholic have the right to refuse >>no longer to remain silent, but to expose the errors and abuses that >>plague are Churches.

I never said you had to be silent, I was the one who argued that Traditionalists have a right. I have argued for years that it was illegal to remove the old mass the way they did. You got a problem with being abused by the extreme left, attack them, leave me alone on this. I never said you don't have the right. You were the one who jumped in claws out over something I don't have the power to change. I didn't start them in this church, and I do not have the authority to change the schedule. There is only one thing worse than beating a dead horse, and that is the wrong dead horse. Go after the Rhaner followers, the de Chadin servants.

It seems to me your beef is with other people than I. Go to my sermon the myths of Vatican II, tell me where I am the evil liberal I was made to look in your first post.

I have supported the Traditionalist, and what have I gotten. I supported TFP people once, ie their right to be, and I get yelled at. I supported an administrator who remodeled his church and he hangs me out to dry, destroying my reputation in public, and with my vicar. One priest told me this could make it that I wil be delayed in being a pastor. (Which I don't care, per. se. a pastor is a hard job, but I …

>> Holyrope is always attacking our homilies as well.

I am going to look at your name in a second by our do you mean your, or are you posting someone elses homilies?

>>I say all of the above with a heart for the traditional movement >>because I agree with much of it and know that many are reacting to >>abuses like clown masses, heresy from the puplit etc.

I too have deep simpathy for them, especially when one considers how the liberals lied to them about the council, and what was to occur after it, but frankly Vatican happened so long before I was born it is irrelevant. I was not involved in the liturgical reform, I was not one of the people who started this thing. I am just a kid raised in Los Angeles, finished my High School in Oregon, who moved to the East Coast. I am open to doing the TLM if approached, but I would want some training, because frankly I did belong to a community that did the new rite in Latin, but the old rite is very rubical, and I would not want to do it incorrectly. I did one small seminar for a few days on it, and it was amazing liturgically, and outside of the one mass in the Seminar I think I have seen maybe six TLM's. Two when I was in Oregon, I went down to Shasta. I saw one in Moscow, PA, one Tridentine Ordination at the Cathedral in Scranton for the Society of St. John. (But it was different than the others I saw.) and then a couple when I was in Baltimore, downtown, I found it one time on mistake while getting off a Grayhound Buss and wanting to see the church, but normally we had apostolates so going there was not possible. I saw part of some Holy Week ceremony in Scranton, and vespers in Moscow a couple times. So I am not trained, nor was I stupid enough to go regularly to the TLM in seminary. (That would have me thrown out so quickly at St. Mary's, and I already had enough problems with formation for believing in universals, and having been in a community that had done some Latin.)

So I am open, but I would want to do some study, go to Lincoln, provided I have the time. I was working on practicing parts of it on my high altar, but someone threw my booklets away in the sacristry. (They were on my book holder, but people seem to love to touch my stuff. Just recently someone stole my GPS from the rectory. (A christmas gift from my mother. ) So I took that as a sign I will wait until I have my own parish or access to a chapel to practice on my own.

>>But we need to seperate the liberals who are trying to destroy the >>church from those good and faithful priests such as yourself who are >>trying to teach and live the Catholic faith during one of the many >>imperfect times in the history of the church.

Sadly enough many raddy trads consider me a liberal. Because I celebrate the new rite. I could do it ad orientum, all Latin, with silk vestments, and lace, chanted, and they would still consider me that. Because many deny the validity of the ordo Missae of Pope Paul, some even deny the ordinal to which I was ordained. Hence break the chain, no orders. lol

I don't get angry at that, when they call me by my first name, like the liberals do, I ignore it the same way I do the liberals. When they tell me my mass is invalid, I don't care either, that is what they believe.

But don't offer me something I cannot have, IE doing the old Mass. I mean I could go like the independents, and fleece the little old ladies, like the raddie trads I know. The jet setters, who live like kings on the generocity of little old ladies wanting the old rite, and use that to pay my student loans off, but I don't do that. A lady in my parish wanted to leave me her estate last year, I told her NO. Leave it to the parish or the diocese.

I remember one time a priest I knew put on black vestments and the lady laid out a grand, because he did a new mass in latin with black vestments, but I did not get in this job to get rich, if I had I would have been a prodie minister, making my 50 to 70 Gs a year. I just sit with my 24 a year, with 5 grand going to the IRS. (Since I don't get my FICA, even though I am W2'd, with no major deductions, and paying for room and board on the taxes.) So my grand a month, plus car allowance, plus 10 dollars a day for food. (I had to push for that, orignally I didn't even get that, no cook, any food I bought was thrown out by the staff, so I had to get my fridge in my room.) Heck I still have glass in my face from the idiot who hit me one Sunday morning. Where was I going. (To eat.)

But you know if they want to think I am some eveil kind of guy who is fleecing the flock, more power to them. I too was persacuted by the libs, they threw me so deep into debt in seminary. A rector who tells me to make my room look like my 'front porch.' (My room had a bed, a bookshelf, and a dresser, the second room they gave us two, had a desk, a bokshelf, and a chair, my computer was on the desk.) But that was not good enough I had to buy pictures, a new desk, a new chair, couches, fancy bedding, alchol to serve to other sems to came to my room, glasses to hold them, and who gave me the money for that? I had to borrow from my diocese. When I had to have a root canal and made the mistake of having the seminary reccommended dentist do it, who paid. (My credit cards and money I borrowed from a friend.) When I was ordained I told people in the invite that gifts/presents were not as important as being there/presence. I could have cleaned up, but I wanted people to be there more, especially the youth groups kids I worked with. How many times people have tried to give me money, and I refuse it or put it into church funds. Yet all us novus ordo priests are evil.

If I am so evil and self serving in my preaching why am I accused of 'toxic guilt' by a secular doctor in Williamsport? Why does the parish council rip me in a meeting that I was not present at, why do I get so many letters of complaint, claiming I said things my tapes said I never said, why do the libs tell me "you are pushing people out of the church.' Seems like the libs don't like me, but I guess that is not enough for the raddie trads. Well I don't do what I do for people to like me, on either extreem.

Virtue lies in the middle...

"Anyone feel as if for your fidelity you are being driven out of your Church"? - Mark, it is true one might feel out of zinq with the attitude displayed by the irreverence in the Church, and even annoyance at the behaviour displayed, but, as Father has just pointed out we must fight any temptation to say "thank you God that I'm so good and not like those sinners who treat your Church like a Bingo Hall". Where do you think we get the awareness of Jesus being truly present in the Blessed Sacrament? - Pure gift. And what do you think is Christ's attitude to those who don't seem to know that He is there - loving them, waiting for them, knowing all about the heavy crosses some of them must bear. We are truly blessed that we are aware of Him at Mass. And I think the prayer given by the Angel of Fatima to the children - "My God I believe, I adore, I hope and I love You. I ask forgiveness for those, who do not believe, nor adore nor hope nor love You" is very timely for what is happening to-day. Stay in your Church.Grow where you'r planted. You, show reverence, you, adore and love Jesus and most of all pity those who don't know He is there. Unless they are actually pointing a gun at you, nobody is "driving" you out! Stay and console your Lord. - Blessings - Rene

CathPresbyter,

Your right about the altar; I did mean the "sanctuary". And yes, the new mass is an invention brought about by modernists, before you were born probably.
I do not seek for things to complain about or to deride, but from my OWN experience and many, many others who have left the new mass because of the abuses allowed and performed even by bishops, all the way up have left us with no other choice than to make publicly known of the wrongdoings(to be it lightly) that continue.
Brought up with the Latin Mass and having to experience the outrages that have taken place for the last 40 yrs, is almost enough to make one leave their faith. Nevermind the pedophilia, homosexuality, etc within the clergy.
We, the people Must defend our Faith, our Tradition, and the Holy Father to whom many bishops thumb their noses at. All this you already know I'm sure.
If you feel that you can open the eyes and minds of God's people to the Truth and not fear of repercussions, my hat off to you. But I have spoke to many a priest, some which are close to my family and I know what happens when a priest wishes to follow and exemplify our Catholic faith and tradition. And unless you have an army of priests to do so, I'm afraid you stand little chance. Any priest/nun who goes against the modern norm of what we see in our dioceses' should be congratulated, but again until and IF the numbers increase to try to bring our Church and Mass back to where it should be, it will be a long and lonely road for you and those like you.
I'm afraid that in our world today, Only God will be able to turn our world right side up again. The knowledge of what occurs in the seminaries today as well as the last 40 yrs. is certainly more than enough to make a young man desire to find a traditional seminary. It is only in the traditional seminaries/convents, where we find plenty of men and women wishing to enter into. Unlike the modern, liberal, new age, "tolerant"l ones that have drastically lost enrollment. Wherever the Truth is God will be there and it will flourish.
As far as your expenses that is a concern for you of course. But only you can answer if it is all worth it in the end. Only God and you will know that. In the meantime, I and every other Catholic have the right to refuse no longer to remain silent, but to expose the errors and abuses that plague are Churches. Sure, it doesn't take much to see the wreck and demolition from the past 40 yrs and its results, but so Many there are who remain ignorantly blinded, (perhaps because they have been lied to all this time) or are just afraid to "rock the boat."
It wasn't always smooth sailing for the Apostles and is not for those who are trying to restore what has been lost. We are all called to do so.
We must all Fight the Good Fight at all costs! May God be with you, enlighten you, strengthen you and fill you with His graces.

Nice homilies Father and nice reponse to holyrope1. Holyrope is always attacking our homilies as well. I love tradition and lament the abuses as well but have found that with many trads nothing is ever good enough and they seem to look for every fault in order to discredit the good that is being done in the restoration. I know many self proclaimed trads who seem to think they are the only Catholics left and say things like "new Rome, new church, they have the only true mass etc." As if somehow the mass that the Holy Father celebrates is not a true mass.

I say all of the above with a heart for the traditional movement because I agree with much of it and know that many are reacting to abuses like clown masses, heresy from the puplit etc. But we need to seperate the liberals who are trying to destroy the church from those good and faithful priests such as yourself who are trying to teach and live the Catholic faith during one of the many imperfect times in the history of the church.

God bless and keep up the good work. Marc

Dear Holy Rope, what do you mean putting someone 'on an altar' why would anyone be 'on an altar.' If you examine there is nothing at all on the altar that can be seen at all. Because the only altar visible, the high altar is not used and that is not my rule but the pastors. (I am only the parochial vicar.)

I think you missed the entire point of my sermon, in your response. I was pointing out how there is a little of pharisee in us, and they are in the story for us to learn to root that tendency out of ourselves. Seems you like to take the twig from another's eye, and immediately judge others, which is exactly my point.

As to the Pharisees doing the opposit of Christ, I don't know where you got such an absurd idea. Jesus is far closer to the pharisees in doctrine than the saducees, Herodians, or Zelots. One need only read the book "Jesus and Hellel" to verify this point. His canon is Pharisee, his view on the soul Pharisee, he quotes the Jewish Traditions, which saducees reject. So this premise if flawed. Jesus observes their holidays such as the feast of the Dedication. Our Divine Lord's beef with them is that they play games with the rules, and fall into legalisms that end up breaking the heart of the law.

Now as to your point that females have no business on the altar, I think you mean in the sanctuary, I agree. The Sanctuary is for the ordained, and those in training for ordination. The issue of an all male preisthood is not up for discussion! You cannot ordain women, they are invalid matter. And frankly I think it is cruel to allow women to be female altar boys, to aspire to what they can never have, ordination. Female altar boys, besides being an oxymoron, is responsible for a great deal of the current vocation problems, and is why I have refused to train them. (Hence my parish has not had a training session in three years, I only train males.)

Your statements on Communion in the hand, you obviously don't know me, because I have preached against communion in the hand. Even was called in by a vicar and was asked to explain why I preached against it and was asked "Do you think you know more than the bishops." And later I was told "So you think that those who are receiving communion on the hand are attempting to commit some serious sin." (Both traps)

If you also knew me you would know I was publicly corrected when I lived in oregon for communion kneeling, and when ordered to stand, I had to remind the priest of my rights, to which he told me "You are the most arrogant person I have ever met." I thanked him for his correction and went back to my pew. (I was only 19 at the time.)

As to the history of communion in the hand, I am familiar with the ecuminical experiment, but my contention has always been the indult does not apply to the United Stated historically.

The 'abuses' you mention I agree with you, except I would call some of them movements away from Tradition, since sadly enough presently some are allowed. I want beauty restored, adoration, reverence, devotions, benediction, communion on the tongue as the norm.

PLEASE SEE MY VIDEO THE MYTHS OF VATICAN II, you will realize that I want all these things, and preach on them numerous times. So you are preaching to the chior.

Now as to the use of altar servers, since I am not in control of them, I do not get involved in this. I do not own vestments, I use what the church has. I do not schedule servers, and have made my opinions known to the pastor, but he is in charge of the church, so I work with what is there.

And please don't tell me to go traddie, since no traditionalist community will take someone with 65 thousand dollars in Student Loans from seminary, plus another 12 owed to my diocese from seminary. I trusted in God by going to seminary, and getting into this debt to serve God, so unless you want to put your money where your mouth is I would not slam someone who is trying to reform the church, because he is not wealthy enough to do what you want.

Is that suppose to be an "altar girl server" in the background? If so, did not the pharasees' do the opposite of Christ? Just like the above video, putting a female on HIS altar, when Christ chose ONLY MEN at the Last Supper? Chose an ALL Male Priesthood?

Females have no business on the altar, just as communion in the hand was started by deceitful bishops in Belgium without the knowing of the Pope nor his permission? All these abuses have been the part of the fall of the faith in many catholics, who have left the Church. Restore the beauty, adoration, reverence, holiness, prayers, genuflections, benedictions, Communion on the tongue While Kneeling. Restore Our Communion rails. And only the Consecrated hands of the priest should touch the Eucharist!

People...Attend Only the True Mass! The Traditional Latin Mass!

Corruptio optimi pessima –Corruption of the best is the worst

So it was with the Pharisees, so it is now.

Jesus said, “Fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Mt. 10:28). Some people are murderers of souls, regardless of if they intend to kill or not. Jesus spoke of some of the hardened Pharisees as such people. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte. And when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves” (Mt. 23:15). As the Pharisees and their like make children of hell, they sincerely persecute the children of heaven. “They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doth a service to God.” Such people, even though they think they know and worship God, do not know him or worship him. “And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father nor me” (Jn. 16:2–3).

This quote is taken from p. 221 of my book.

Anyone feel as if for your fidelity you are being driven out of your Church?