The video I shared directly quotes Sheen. You could easily look up that quote and other wicked statements he made from his own heretical books. It's sad that you are so dishonest and attached to men and the world that you could care less about his apostate statement. It shows that you sadly don't hold the Catholic faith. That's besides the fact that there are several other quotes from Sheen in which he professed heresy. He also promoted false ecumenism - that is, prayer with non-Catholics - as well as the heretical teachings of Vatican II, the "New Mass" (which is invalid and sinful to attend), etc. Prayer with non-Catholics (which Sheen engaged in) is a public mortal sin (read Mortalium Animos). Sheen embraced the heretical antipope John Paul II, who commited open acts of idolatry, praised false religions (which Psalm 95:5 and Corinthians state are of the devil)... One could go on. You bear false witness by claiming that I deny soundly doctrinal Catholic teaching. I already admitted (but in your blindness and bad-will you missed this and instead lied) that Sheen said some true things - but one can't teach heresy (cited in the video and elsewhere), promote false ecumenism (condemned by Pius XI) while teaching some true things and be Catholic. You are not permitted to only look at the true things he said while ignoring or downplaying the outrageously evil things Sheen said. To hold the Catholic faith, you have to be consistent. Sheen was not, as I've shown. By downplaying his apostate statement, you accept heresy. Sadly, you reject the truth and are of bad-will at this time.

No, actually, since you have shared the "quote" you can look it up and validate it for your readers before you make such categorically condemnatory statements as referring to him as an "apostate". At this point, it's hearsay.

In fact, the entire body of Bishop Sheen's work on behalf of the Catholic Church that's out there for all to see proves quite otherwise. Bishop Sheen's work is far from being the work of an "Apostate" as you have been so reckless as to call him.

DEFINITION OF AN APOSTATE:
The complete abandonment of the Christian religion and not merely a denial of some article of the creed. Since apostolic times, it was classified among the major crimes, along with murder and adultery, whose remission in the sacrament of penance carried severe censures and, among certain rigorists, even remission of the sin was denied. St. Cyprian (d. 258), Bishop of Carthage, defended the Church's right to remit apostasy before the hour of death, and the practice was supported by Pope Cornelius (d. 253). Under the Christian Roman Empire, apostates were punished by deprivation of civil rights, including the power to bequeath or inherit property. During the late Middle Ages, Christian who apostatized were subject to trial and punishment by the Inquisition.

We are responsible before God in condemning Priests of the Church so lightly.

I have been a Traditionalist for 50 years, so I am not "soft" on Modernism. But it behooves us to not be senselessly reckless in condemning a Bishop who has countless talks and material on the record defending and explaining the Catholic Faith with great dedication that prove he was anything but an "apostate".

There's a clear distinction between being influenced by Modernism as many Priests before and since Vatican II have been. But that doesn't make them "apostates", which requires a knowing, avowed hatred and repudiation for the Catholic Faith....whole and entire.

Claiming that Sheen is an "apostate" just makes Traditionalism look absurd and reckless....and irresponsible.

Even if you didn't believe the apostate quote from Sheen in which he denied Christ (from the video I shared), his false ecumenism was well known - it is a mortal sin and expression of heresy to pray with non-Catholics, and Sheen participated in and promoted such heretical activities. Your willful ignorance and downplaying of such horrible things is demonstrative of the fact that, sadly, you are not a traditionalist, nor are you a Catholic at this time. The Catholic faith would require someone to condemn his false ecumenism and apostasy. You haven't addressed Sheen's false ecumenism, his public affiliation with Socialists like Saul Alinsky, etc. It's sad, but it's obvious you don't want your illusions destroyed. Sheen was an apostate. He condemned himself. You need to wake up. He helped popularize the heretical changes of Vatican II which brought on the current crisis. He was against traditionalism, he supported the Protestantized "New Mass", etc.

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium animos, (06/01/1928): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”

Council of Laodicea, Canon 9 (A.D. 363-364): “The members of the Church are not allowed to meet... any of the heretics, for prayer or service; but such as so do, if they be communicants, shall be excommunicated for a time; but if they repent and confess that they have sinned they shall be received.”

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@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican Pope Pius XI said "this see" not all sees and he does not say it is a mortal sin or heresy. The Council of Laodicea refers to "the heretics" not simply "hereticis" so I am not sure who they are refering to. Is it perhaps a group that was formally tried and found guilty of a particular heresy? It seems that people are very quick to call all sorts of people heretics these days.

You're diverting and obfuscating the clear teaching in the encyclical, which plainly teaches that all Catholics cannot attend/participate in non-Catholic religious services. It's clear to an honest individual who reads it. If you go and read the encyclical further, it's made abundantly more clear. The video Vatican II is A New Religion proves, with several sources, that it is the teaching of the Catholic Church that Catholics cannot pray with non-Catholics.

Also, RCIA converts people to the Vatican II sect, which is not Catholicism. You need to reject Vatican II and the fake counterchurch and become a traditional Catholic. MHFM's material shows one how to do that in accordance with Catholic teaching.

Vatican II is A New Religion (Visual Proof)
Vatican II Is A New Religion (Visual Proof)

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican I didn't obfuscate anything. I quoted someone more qualified than you are on the matter.

You are not an authority, a canon lawyer or theologian, or even a duly qualified apologist; so no one on this site should take you as a reference.

You don't even think with the Church...! The Catholic Church makes it clear that no Catholic can be declared a heretic -- much less an apostate (!) -- until they have been examined by those duly authorized within the Church as to whether their so-called "heresy" is merely "material" or "formal", obdurate and inveterate; and whether they would refuse to correct their thinking to accord with the doctrines of the Church.

And yet you dare to act as a self-appointed authority of the Church by declaring on your say-so that Bishop Sheen -- who spent decades of his life teaching the doctrines of the Church to countless thousands -- is an apostate.....!

That is a grave sin of slander against a Priest and Bishop.

Your hubris is astounding.....

No, you're completely wrong about heresy. Your false claim that heretics need to be declared by a canonical judge to be recognized as heretics has been condemned:

Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, Aug. 28, 1794:
“47. Likewise, the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called ‘ipso facto’ have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect” – false, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church, erroneous. (Denz. 1547)

You bear false witness by baselessly accusing me of slander. You commit mortal sin with that false accusation. Everything I said is true, and you can't refute it. You also haven't addressed Sheen's promotion of false ecumenism (prayer with non-Catholics), which (condemned by Pius XI) he regularly promoted. Sheen is a heretic and an apostate according to Catholic dogma. Catholic dogma is the authority. There's plenty more dogmas that prove the true position and refute yours, which is contradictory. In Sheen's own heretical writings, he says that Buddhists and Muslims are "good", and that they can be saved... A Catholic would consider that apostasy, but of course you are not a Catholic, as I've shown, so you'll probably excuse that too.

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@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican You're quite remarkable and all you are doing is proving how little you understand.....

The reference you provided above pertains to canonical penalties incurred, "sentences called ‘ipso facto’ ...." none of which Bishop Sheen has ever incurred.

You really should stop here. You really are not qualified to be online passing sentence on Bishop Sheen.

You have neither cited precise, validated sources, nor shown that Bishop Sheen obstinately adhered to formal heresy and willingly repudiated the Catholic Faith = APOSTASY....despite the fact that he continued to teach the necessity of Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross for our Redemption over and over and over again throughout the full course of his apostolate.

You have slandered Bishop Sheen without any basis in fact -- his entire life's work proving that he never apostatized as you claim of your own self-appointed authority and that is a grave sin.

To make it even more clear how you are in error I am quoting the Church's teaching below....

Bishop Sheen was never guilty of "willfully refusing", "obstinately denying", or "totally repudiating" any of the Church's teachings.

In fact, he taught exactly what the Church teaches on the necessity of Christ and His Church for salvation.

Thus it is clear your claim is slanderous and ought to be repented of and repaired for.

TEACHING OF THE CHURCH:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these three sins against the faith in this way:

2089

Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.

"Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;

Apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican P.S. and I do want to say this. I quite understand your concerns. It truly appears that we now have a "double" Church -- the Modernist one teaching and tolerating error while punishing orthodoxy, and the "Church of the Ages" being preserved by those who still hold the Catholic Faith whole and entire.

The only thing I am objecting to here is that Bishop Sheen is certainly not an appropriate candidate to be accused of "apostasy" and that's clear.

Such reckless accusations make Traditionalists look ludicrous, precisely because the accusation of apostasy as applied to Bishop Sheen couldn't be more so.

Why not focus on the real criminals....those alive today who are destroying the Church before our very eyes. Those are the ones we need to fight.

Otherwise going after Bishop Sheen as an "apostate" -- while his vast body of work is virtually one continual reiteration of the Catholic Faith -- amounts to jousting with windmills.

He never systematically defended error....never. And never once repudiated the Catholic Faith in the manner apostasy is understood by the Church Herself.

Every single talk one can find by Sheen is a masterpiece on Catholic apologetics, biblical exegesis and moral theology. One can learn a great deal by listening to him.

He was no "apostate".

God bless.

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican I am a Catholic who lives in the bible belt and I have frequent discussions with non Catholics who oppose the Catholic church. They all quote scripture passages the "clearly prove" that the Catholic church is false and they all claim that it is obvious and that anyone that reads it honestly will agree. That is the danger of starting with a position and then searching for scripture or quotes from the Pope or saints to back up what you have already decided you want to be true. There is no doubt that we are going thru difficult times in the church but we have been thru difficult times in the past. Don't go down the rabbit hole like so many in the past of deciding what you think the church should be or not be. God is in control!

@Avecrux Do you even know what "ispo-facto" means? It means 'in that instance', or 'at that moment'. If anyone says anything contrary to the Church, they fall into heresy ipso-facto, at that moment, and out of the Church with no declaration. This is taught by St. Robert Bellarmine, Pope St. Celestine and Pope Leo XIII & many others: that heretics fall outside the church at the moment they begin to preach heresy, contrary to your false position:

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, June 29, 1896: “… can it be lawful for anyone to reject any of those truths without thereby sending himself headlong into open heresy? without thereby separating himself from the Church and in one sweeping act repudiating the entirety of Christian doctrine?…”

Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, Aug. 28, 1794:
“47. Likewise, the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called ‘ipso facto’ have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect” – false, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church, erroneous. (Denz. 1547)

“Canonists and theologians teach that external heresy consists not only in words, but also in “signs, deeds, and the omission of deeds.” (Merkelbach, Summa Theologiae Moralis 1:746.)

Think about the absurdity of your position: if every heretic claiming to be Catholic had to be declared a heretic by a canonical judge, then you would be required to call all Lutherans that fell away from Catholicism 'Catholics', (because Lutherans considers themselves to be 'Catholic') until each of those individuals are declared heretics by a canonical judge... It's obviously nonsensical. You'd also have to consider apostates like Biden, Pelosi, James Martin etc. to be Catholic, when the Catholic Church dogmatically teaches that you must profess the true faith to be in the Church, which also destroys your false theology. To profess something contrary to the Church places one outside the church, as shown above:

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (#22). “Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith.”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441: “Therefore the Holy Roman Church condemns, reproves, anathematizes & declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.”

You also have not yet addressed Sheen's promotion of false ecumenism (prayer with non Catholics) which is condemned by Catholic teaching. Here's the citation proving that Sheen promoted prayer with non-Catholics, so now you can stop lying by falsely accusing me of slander, you abominable, bad-willed liar:

(Democrat and Chronicle, May 6 1967,)
“Bishop to Speak At Ecumenical Worship Service”
“Most Rev. Fulton J. Sheen, Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Rochester, will speak at the annual citywide ecumenical service at 8 p.m. Sunday at the Eastman Theater.”

This service Sheen spoke at was a meeting where members of heretical sects got together not only to speak about their 'faith', but also to pray together — it was a non-Catholic service. Catholics aren't allowed to participate in such things (which Sheen did), as taught by Canon Law & Catholic dogma. To do so is a public manifestation of and approval of heresy:

1917 Code of Canon Law, #1258:
“It is not licit for the faithful by any manner to assist actively or to have a part in the sacred rites of non-Catholics.”

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium animos, (06/01/1928): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”

If that example of Sheen's apostasy isn't enough for you, here's another quote from Sheen in his own book Treasure In Clay which demonstrates his total apostasy:

“The good Hindu, the good Buddhist, the good Confucianist, the good Moslem are all saved by Christ and not by Buddhism or Islam or Confucianism but through their sacraments, their prayers, their asceticism, their morality and their good life.” (Treasure In Clay, Fulton Sheen, 1980, pg. 148)

There you go. There's the page number. There's Sheen (a clear apostate) denying the necessity of Christ for salvation. You can even check the book yourself, you lying, false traditionalist heretic. For you to say that Sheen's "vast body of work is virtually one continual reiteration of the Catholic Faith" in light of this obvious example of apostasy (among many others that can be cited) is an abomination. Compare what the Catholic Church teaches with the blatant heresy taught by Sheen in his book:

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives... "

You are who should stop discussing these matters, seeing as you basically know nothing about Catholic teaching, as I've shown. You also bore false witness in claiming that I slandered Sheen, when the initial video makes a clear citation plainly quoting Sheen, but now you have the quotes right in front of you so you can't use your phony excuse of claiming that there's not enough information. You can even use Archive.org to reference the quotes from Sheen's heretical book. It would be one thing if you simply asked for more information, but no, you just went and falsely accused me of slander with no evidence, in a futile attempt to back up your assertion that what I said was false. You lie, commit mortal sin and therefore you are of the devil. If you don't know what you're talking about, then you shouldn't talk about these matters, at all. Your false theology on heresy and blind admiration of apostates like Fulton Sheen show that you adhere to the Vatican II false religion and not Catholicism. For the true Catholic faith (which you sadly do not hold at this time), visit vaticancatholic.com

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican You have wasted your time writing an encyclopedia.

Do you know what "obstinate denial", "willful refusal" and "total repudiation" mean? Those are the operative words for all Catholics to be guilty of heresy and certainly apostasy.

Please don't waste any more time at your keyboard. Since you insist on overlooking the obvious, I do not take time with your extensive dissertations.

TEACHING OF THE CHURCH:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these three sins against the faith in this way:

2089

Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.

"Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;

Apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;

Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! - Matthew 7:13-14

I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? - Luke 18:8

The Bible Teaches that Few Are Saved
The Bible Teaches That Few Are Saved

Why So Many Can't Believe
Why So Many Can’t Believe

... the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-11

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The Antichrist Identified!

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican... your faith in MHFM is overdone and suspect. How do I know? Because they rarely have any theology of abortion or condemnation of abortion. There are 2,200 abortion daily world wide and they don't care. I have tried to spur them to do something, anything but they hardly do anything to help those babies ripped to pieces, disemboweled, decapitated or poisoned.

Be very, very careful of them because the Catholic condemnation of abortion is equal in authority to the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ and all the Marian dogmas.

You have no idea what you're talking about. MHFM regularly condemns and calls out heretics that promote and accept abortion, including Antipope Francis, James Martin, "Catholic" pro-abortion politicians, etc. They also have a whole documentary on birth control which condemns abortion, and a documentary exposing the mortally sinful birth control practice of NFP (condemned by Pius XI), but you could probably care less about that, right? Their documentary Freemasonry Exposed condemns abortion in the very beginning of the video... You obviously aren't familiar with their material. Your claim that MHFM doesn't call out abortion enough is disingenuous, uninformed and goes nowhere.

What you fail to realize is that false traditionalists who call out abortion will merit nothing in heaven if they continue to embrace heresy and lead people astray, as all of them sadly do. Although you are obviously not familiar with MHFM's material, you should check out their videos. False 'trads' will continue to give false hope in the counterchurch, while MHFM shows what people need to know to save their souls with research and dogmatic Catholic teaching.

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@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican
You just proved how deceived you are. MHFM has none, zero, not even a single video devoted to the sin of abortion and stopping abortion and you just proved it. The supposed items you call out as pro-life are not about abortion. The articles you mention are not about abortion, they are about someone one or something with abortion thrown in as additional fodder. They are not about abortion.

Here is what they say on their site that they care about…

“We’re currently working on a video series on the Charismatic movement.“
“We hope to print a first run of the Padre Pio book in Spanish next year.”
“Magicians” Prove A Spiritual World Exists – The Last Version 3 hours and 45 minutes”
“Australia Enslaved And The Plan For The World… 6 hours and 23 minutes”
And most egregious of all…“we are probably in the top six in terms of the total amount of Catholic materials distributed.”[none, not even one about abortion]

Abortion is the most evil of sins because it is hatred of God and an attack on the person of Jesus Christ.

2,200 babies murdered and 2,200 women committing murder every day of the year and you and MHFM care more about magicians, 3 hours and 23 minutes.

You're arguing for nothing, Chris. MHFM is against abortion. They condemn it. If you weren't so blind, dishonest & if you watched their content, you'd see that they call out abortion & those who support it on a regular basis. Meanwhile heresy & apostasy throughout the world sends way more souls to Hell than abortion (can you do the math?), yet you don't seem to care about that very much at all... So much for your phony virtue signaling. You obviously aren't thinking clearly. They seek to save souls. How are you saving souls? Do you even believe that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church? Where's your apostolate? Do you even believe the Catholic dogma which teaches that all babies need baptism to be saved, as the church has defined? Your argument is phony and projects false virtue. MHFM doesn't have to cater their content specifically to you, who, frankly, is basically a nobody who complains that they don't make videos according to your preferences. They have a way bigger audience than just you. Their focus is saving souls. Abortion is an important issue that they call out a lot: you'd notice that if you actually watched their recent videos. You need to get out of your head and wake up.

@Apocalypse Now In The Vatican
MHFM glossary definition of Ex Cathedra is misleading and incomplete.
Their mistake is a rookie mistake that a high school student would make.
They imply that ex-cathedra is the only method that makes dogma infallible. What you don’t know is that infallible dogmas can be pronounced by a Pope according to Divine and Catholic Faith.
The latest infallible Catholic doctrine is from Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) in 1995. Here is the infallible condemnation of direct abortion in Evangelium Vitae…
“Given such unanimity in the doctrinal and disciplinary tradition of the Church, Paul VI was able to declare that this tradition is unchanged and unchangeable. 72 Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church's Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.” Evangelium Vitae, 62
The condemnation of abortion in Evangelium Vitae has the same authority as the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ and all the Marian dogmas. See the Vatican Profession of Faith below for confirmation.
“To the truths of the first paragraph belong the articles of faith of the Creed, the various Christological dogmas21 and Marian dogmas;22the doctrine of the institution of the sacraments by Christ and their efficacy with regard to grace;23the doctrine of the real and substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist24and the sacrificial nature of the eucharistic celebration;25the foundation of the Church by the will of Christ;26the doctrine on the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff;27 the doctrine on the existence of original sin;28the doctrine on the immortality of the spiritual soul and on the immediate recompense after death;29the absence of error in the inspired sacred texts;30the doctrine on the grave immorality of direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being.31”
PROFESSION OF FAITH
If they cared the least little bit about abortion they would not have made this stupid mistake.